"Quite often there is a stigma attached to going to work. Their families are afraid of not having the safety net of the benefits system, and people sometimes sadly think work doesn’t pay.

I was so impressed with Dowman and his work that I: That’s what makes ... ‘How can I be really good?’ people are going to come to you.” Like this column? Sign up to subscribe to email ...

Who's going to work in the fields? Those people go to work every day. They get paid, they go home, they don't cause a problem. They go back to work. I'm not interested in that at all." ...